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Old Today, 05:12 AM
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I will break it to you, not so subtlety - you will be wasting your time and money going to college full time and embarking on a new career in which you have zero experience. In today's market, the majority of jobs going to newly minted college graduates are going to those that come from the top schools or from the top 50% of grads from lesser schools, the rest of the grads are getting low paying jobs for which college really isn't a requirement - and to be even more brutally honest, with your being out of school for 24 years, I am not sure you would have either the desire or discipline to complete a degree program - and if you don't get the degree it will be a colossal waste.
Then there is the calculus of cost verses reward - 4 years of college is $50-60,000 minimum plus the income you give up going to school - so all in, maybe $150,000 - making that back up in 15 years that you have left to work means the job will need to pay about $13,000/yr more than any other job you could get.

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Tka, it is common for people to look into other areas, almost the thinking the grass is greener, etc.
You have sales experience, and just because it was home supplies doesn't mean that it isn't good experience. I would suggest looking into a sales job in another area. You may have to start at the bottom, but if you work hard enough you can move up quickly because most people today don't want to work, or are too interested in non-work items.

Don't afraid to pursue sales jobs say in technology or whatever. Get a good resume together, and also get a good one page profile outlining some of you best sales activities where you went past quota or you solved some problem for someone that really helped them out.

Don't be afraid to be agressive, and call business owners directly to discuss how you can help them.

You do that for four years and you will be alot further along then fooling with college.

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Why not something in medicine? Plenty of shorter programs that will pay almost immediately upon graduation. RN. X-ray, CT, paramedic.

Your age would not really be an issue with any of these jobs either.

The medical industry is growing with the increasing age of baby boomers with no signs of slowing down.

Not to mention that there will always be job security..

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Here are some facts , take it for what its worth. I am in IT, i have been for 17 years. I am a bit younger then you. I have started in the "trenches" and now sit at a directors level position. I contemplate this every day, i no longer have the "love". The work has become boring and second nature, no longer a challenge But thats another story. I worked with a gentlemen in the past, he was 48. he had 20 years exp. Had all the paper certs fortune 500's want. Last year he went on 20 interviews, still while holding a job. He has done almost everything he can to "appear" younger. Died hair dark, the few interviews he went on with grey hair, he told me he lasted 5 minutes. Changed attire to more modern look. He still works at the old job hoping to go out. Still goes on interviews. I know he interviews good and knows his material. So what am i saying, at 42 years old, shit or get off the pot, you don't have much time for F'n around, and if you going to do something the easiest thing is to get into business with something you are familiar with, that requires less of a learning curve.

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I am 42 and went back to school part time to get my Master's and then my PhD, so I'm not one to shy away from education. That said, I'm not starting again from the beginning so it's not that bad. I place a high value on education, but I'm old enough now to look at it from an investment standpoint.

I don't think a degree at this point would be that strong of an investment for you. Looking at it as a hiring manager, I can get a young guy that's single, poor, has a degree, and is willing to put up with crap because he doesn't know any better.

I agree with the idea of learning a trade. Yes it would start out slow, but you'd also excel faster than teh 18 year olds doing the same thing because you'd be more reliable, more mature, and people will expect more of you. Your maturity will show through when dealing with the public. Your maturity will show through when the boss needs someone to watch things while he goes to a different site.

As long as it's not a union job, you will advance based on your performance. You can use your age to your benefit. I was at Home Depot and had a question. At the end of the aisle were two employees, one in his 20's and the other in his 40's. Which one do think I talked to? Whether it's right or wrong, all people are prejudiced to some degree, and you assume the guy in his 40's will be able to communicate better and handle a situation more maturely and better at leadership.

For all I know the guy in his 20's worked there full time and knew the store inside out, and the older guy was a furniture salesman that got some extra money working there one day a week.

In terms of which trade, there are a few factors to consider. One that is often overlooked is ease of entry. The easier it is to get in, the more competition you would have. I can probably get a job as a waiter right off the street. I won't be as good as someone who has been doing it a while, but good enough. After about two weeks, I can be just as good as someone who has been doing it for 20 years.

I cannot walk off the street and get a job as an electrician, so that market isn't constantly getting flooded with new help. The trick is to find something that works for you, pay your dues, and then be in a good place in a few years. While none of us have a crystal ball, if you assume the housing market is going to be slow in recovering, what type of work would still be called for?

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Why not something in medicine? Plenty of shorter programs that will pay almost immediately upon graduation. RN. X-ray, CT, paramedic.

Your age would not really be an issue with any of these jobs either.

The medical industry is growing with the increasing age of baby boomers with no signs of slowing down.

Not to mention that there will always be job security..


one of my guys just got accepted into a nursing program.....I know right?

they want men because of strength handling patients and stability

the program is 2 years and residency is concurrent and starting pay is good and they're always hiring....all over

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I'd suggest plumbing on the service side. When the economy is bad new construction slows down too much and customers can postpone a lot of electrical work. Just think about how often something breaks with your electrical system in your home. Plumbing is dirtier and not many people want to deal with it. When someone needs a plumber for service they usually can't postpone the call.

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Step one is to have your resume professional written. It is very true that resumes get 30 seconds of actually viewing time at most. You should be sending out at least 30-40 resumes per week. Finding a new job is a full time job in itself. If you are working during the day then it should be done at night but it requires a lot of time. I sent out 500 resumes plus in a two year period while fully employed trying to jump industries and move up. Send a personalized cover letter to each one and then follow up. Find a job that you want and start to target it and its competition. Find out as much as you can with the job so you can speak professionally about it.

Use sites like linkedin.com to find people with common backgrounds and seek them out for connections.

The degree is not that big of a hurdle if you come off as a hard working and go getter. There are so many people with degrees that expect the corner office and 4 weeks vacation plus 100k just because of it. Their resumes suck and they have walk into job interviews knowing nothing.

One of the most successful businessmen that I know is a mulitimillionaire and barely has his high school diploma. He is very well spoken and extremely bright. He works hard and could excel in any industry because he cares. Not having a degree has never stopped him because the second that you speak with him, you know he is the person that is right for the job.

Just my 2 cents.

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I will break it to you, not so subtlety - you will be wasting your time and money going to college full time and embarking on a new career in which you have zero experience. In today's market, the majority of jobs going to newly minted college graduates are going to those that come from the top schools or from the top 50% of grads from lesser schools, the rest of the grads are getting low paying jobs for which college really isn't a requirement - and to be even more brutally honest, with your being out of school for 24 years, I am not sure you would have either the desire or discipline to complete a degree program - and if you don't get the degree it will be a colossal waste.
Then there is the calculus of cost verses reward - 4 years of college is $50-60,000 minimum plus the income you give up going to school - so all in, maybe $150,000 - making that back up in 15 years that you have left to work means the job will need to pay about $13,000/yr more than any other job you could get.

Your response pretty much outlines the main issues I have with regard to finishing college.It is something I would really like to do,but I am having a hard time justifying it.It scares me to see what has happened in the job market in the last few years.The salaries being offered now in my previous line of work are less then what I started out at roughly 15yrs ago.THanks again for your time.
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